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in search of a new amp. any suggestions

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:27 am
by cain777
hey guys,
Im am tired of investing my money in preamps and multi-effect pedals and not my desired tone out of it. I had a rp 80, as well as a Behringer V amp pro (rack mount). The tone im looking for was not there for me. I have a good tube amp right now. Its a single channel Marshall Plexi (not reissue) but it has no overdrive unless I overdrive them tubes with a good overdrive. So now im looking for a amp because I am gonna stop using effects because I believe the best tone comes from an amp and a guitar by itself. Maybe a little reverb or delay too but u get the point. Well I was wondering if any of you guys had any suggestions about what tube amps I should look into. Personally im waiting to try the brand new carvin all tube,3 channel, amp. its called V3. Maybe a carvin mts, or another high quality high gain amp like a Laney, Bogner or a Soldano but those are hella expensive. The tone im looking for is something between the open sounding rythym that Petrucci has on the awake album and for lead a mix between chris brooks,michael romeo, stephan forte sound because they have warm overdriven but still very clear. Please anyone with any suggestions at all. It would really help out a lot. Even if you dont have a suggestion just name an amp.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:42 pm
by 962
cain, I use a Legacy which I'm very happy with. I get a really decent rance of Andy Timmons type tones from it and the odd bit of Paul Gilbert too. It's probably a bit too organic for your petrucci though 'cause it is less gritty and doesn't give out it's gain in the same way as the Mesa Boogies that JP uses.

Obviously if you're after Petrucci tones then Boogies are worth trying, but they are really expensive and won't be versatile enough to cover your lead tones too.

Hughes & Kettner make beautiful amps, but they are almost Boogie-priced. But in my opinion they kick Mesa's ass, they have so much more character!

Anyway, you need something versatile? A Peavy JSX would certainly cover that and you'd get a cracking rhtyhm sound from it's filthiest channel. I've not tried a Peavy XXX but I gather they are pretty awesome - they are what the JSX was based on, aparrently.

A Laney GH100L will give you an excellent tone for both rhythm and lead and is much cheaper. It does need to be cranked to get it's best sound but that's nothing a THD Hot Plate can't fix*

Cornford make nice amps but they may be a bit too smooth and creamy for what you're after. I don't know about the new carvin amp 'cause we don't really get Carvin stuff in the UK (we only have one Carvin dealer in the country), but my guess is it will be a similar setup to the JSX.

THD have recently got big in the amplification market. They're american so they should be well-priced in the US, and easy to maintain if you need any repairs. I haven't had much opportunity to try them, but the last THD amp I tried was a stunner.

I definitely recommend trying the Laney - I tried one recently, and even though I don't need it, I'm tempted, just 'cause it's fun. I have to say though, it's absolutely worth looking on ebay to see if you can grab a used Hughes & Kettner TriAmp, it's got three amps, rather than just three channels, so as far as I remember, with 2 channels-per-amp you've got six channels.

* a THD Hot Plate, one of which I got this morning, is an amazing addition to an amp setup. I can see my Wah pedal being the only pedal left that ever gets used, 'cause with the Hot Plate you can get all the amp's great tones from having the volume set high, but without the actual volume. The purity of tones I'm now getting from my Legacy and guitar (even my quiet-as-a-mouse Strat!!) is superb.

If you want more info on what the Hot Plate is/how it works, let me know!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:59 pm
by j.arledge
962 wrote:cain, I use a Legacy which I'm very happy with. I get a really decent rance of Andy Timmons type tones from it and the odd bit of Paul Gilbert too. It's probably a bit too organic for your petrucci though 'cause it is less gritty and doesn't give out it's gain in the same way as the Mesa Boogies that JP uses.

Obviously if you're after Petrucci tones then Boogies are worth trying, but they are really expensive and won't be versatile enough to cover your lead tones too.

Hughes & Kettner make beautiful amps, but they are almost Boogie-priced. But in my opinion they kick Mesa's ass, they have so much more character!

Anyway, you need something versatile? A Peavy JSX would certainly cover that and you'd get a cracking rhtyhm sound from it's filthiest channel. I've not tried a Peavy XXX but I gather they are pretty awesome - they are what the JSX was based on, aparrently.

A Laney GH100L will give you an excellent tone for both rhythm and lead and is much cheaper. It does need to be cranked to get it's best sound but that's nothing a THD Hot Plate can't fix*

Cornford make nice amps but they may be a bit too smooth and creamy for what you're after. I don't know about the new carvin amp 'cause we don't really get Carvin stuff in the UK (we only have one Carvin dealer in the country), but my guess is it will be a similar setup to the JSX.

THD have recently got big in the amplification market. They're american so they should be well-priced in the US, and easy to maintain if you need any repairs. I haven't had much opportunity to try them, but the last THD amp I tried was a stunner.

I definitely recommend trying the Laney - I tried one recently, and even though I don't need it, I'm tempted, just 'cause it's fun. I have to say though, it's absolutely worth looking on ebay to see if you can grab a used Hughes & Kettner TriAmp, it's got three amps, rather than just three channels, so as far as I remember, with 2 channels-per-amp you've got six channels.

* a THD Hot Plate, one of which I got this morning, is an amazing addition to an amp setup. I can see my Wah pedal being the only pedal left that ever gets used, 'cause with the Hot Plate you can get all the amp's great tones from having the volume set high, but without the actual volume. The purity of tones I'm now getting from my Legacy and guitar (even my quiet-as-a-mouse Strat!!) is superb.

If you want more info on what the Hot Plate is/how it works, let me know!

yeah all those are good choices.
laney gh100 or really any other tube amps they make
peavey xxx
peavey jsx
carvin legacy

if you are into the marshall thing you may look into redbear. They where a russian company that made basically a hot rodded jcm800 with point to point wiring. They are cheap and good quality , redbear is gone though .

Krank- the chadwick 50 sounds cool it is a bit more british flavored . The revolution and krankenstien are basically the same amp, suppose to have crushing distortion and power.

Mesa boogie- i love the road king, it maybe more then you are looking to spend though. The dual rects are cool .

there are others, but the best way to find out what you want is to get out any play some different amps.

Also those effects suck . They are cheap and dont really do much for your tone except make it sound processed

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:36 pm
by Knyq
carvin V3.

im planning on getting one pretty soon. looks like it will sound amazing.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:35 pm
by Proview
Mark IV 8) My dream amp...

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:12 pm
by guitar_man_6
For the Petrucci-rhythms I would recommend a Dual Rectifier; pricey, but if you really want to get serious, it will be worth it. The lead tone would probably be satisfied by a JCM 800 (Lead Series); I'm still not convinced the Legacy offers the same level of distortion (though it is cleaner :lol: ). Try a Dual Rectifer and JCM 800 (If you can find one), and choose the one you prefer (or buy both :) ).

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:23 am
by 962
Dual Rectifiers are good amps, and yeah, it'll do the Petrucci thing but I honestly think you can get something just as good out of the Laney. Just two weeks ago I tried a GH100L, a Marshall DSL100, A Marshall vintage wossname (which is ridiculously loud!), a Boogie Dual Rec, a Boogie Stilletto (which was horrible), and a Road King.

The GH100L had a more honest, no-bullshit tone than all the Mesa Boogies, and it seemed to bite just as hard, but with sharper teeth. if you're playing a PRS then a Boogie is a good choice, but for everything else, you can get so much out of a GH100L with it set up right. It's got a much clearer voice, you can hear all it's frequencies nicely, and a switch from a single-coil to humbucker is a pleasurable experience rather than an "Woah shit" moment.

Don't get me wrong, Boogies are great, but very very specific in what drives them hardest, and you can probably get more out of something a lot cheaper! Unless you want to wax 8 grand on an amp and a PRS Custom 24?!

I forgot to mention VHT before - I've not played them, but I know they're nice amps, and if you intend to do much 7-Stringing or down-tuning then they'll manage your ultra-low frequencies better than anything else.

Dave Weiner used a VHT all over his debut record.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:21 pm
by RAR!
I have an old 80's Laney AOR Pro Tube Lead 100w, and its basically an 80's GH100.

Its the coolest amp ive ever played, its the MOST dynamic, expressive, clean sounding amp with the best singing, clear and defined overdrive. Its beautiful.

And, it was only $350.

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:28 pm
by cain777
Hey guys,
I really appreciate all the input all you guys have shared. Im gonna try to out Laney due to the great response they got from a couple of you. As for the Dual Rectifier, I have played them once, and I was really dissapointed. Maybe I should try them out again. A Carvin V3 should be easy to come by because I live 10 minutes from a dealer and a friend who can possibly give me a discount. but most of all, I will play the hell out of all those amps and let my ears do the choosing not my wallet. Thanks again guys.

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:58 pm
by j.arledge
if you try the v3 please do give a review back on it. That thing looks killer

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:53 pm
by cain777
Jra2217 wrote:if you try the v3 please do give a review back on it. That thing looks killer
for sure. im looking foarward to trying that one out. ill give you a review as soon as i get to try it out.

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:27 am
by wickedbaron
If you live in the USA you can buy directly from Carvin, a lot cheaper than any music store can sell.

http://www.carvin.com

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:38 pm
by al
I love my TSL100 :D

3 chanells of ROCK cept the clean thast moderately rocking

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:12 am
by lydian7
I'm loving my new Boogie Mark IV amp. Someone earlier suggested that boogies weren't versatile enough to handle lead and rhythm tones, but that couldn't be further from the truth! The Boogie MKIV's can handle every sound from very heavy rhythm tones (Metallica used them to record the black album), to smooth, Santana-esque lead tones. There's switchs on the back of the amp so that you can switch between Class A & Simu-Class, Mid-crunch and Harmonics, and Pentode and Triode, so you can get pretty much any type of amp sound if you know how to set it up. I'd say the best album to compare the MKIV lead tone to is the Joe Satriani album. Cool no.9, If and Morrocan Sunset are all lead tones that can be easily obtained with the MKIV.

You could also go for a Mesa Boogie 'Road King' if you had the money, John Petrucci's amp of choice, but they're very expensive. F50's are also nice Boogie amps, and give a very modern Boogie tone at a
reasonable price.

Other than Boogies you could try a Peavey 5150 (satch used one for his lead tone on 'Crystal Planet'), but word of warning, they're supposed to have very poor clean tones. The Cornford amps appear to have a very smooth and complex lead tone judging from gunthrie Govan's demonstrations, and the Carvin Legacy's are supposed to be excellent also. I held off buying a Legacy though in order to find a more personalised tone for myself.

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:59 pm
by Lo Lo
I dare you to try the Carvin MTS 3200 half stack!

All you have to do is try it once!

http://www.carvin.com/products/single.p ... 412&CID=GA

I believe it is the parent to the Legacy!